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Ice on the Windshield


 A Brief for Whitey
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BY PAT BUCHANAN

How would he pull it off? I wondered.

How would Barack explain to his press groupies why he sat silent in a pew for 20 years as the Rev. Jeremiah Wright delivered racist rants against white America for our maligning of Fidel and Gadhafi, and inventing AIDS to infect and kill black people?

How would he justify not walking out as Wright spewed his venom about "the U.S. of K.K.K. America," and howled, "God damn America!"

My hunch was right. Barack would turn the tables.

Yes, Barack agreed, Wright's statements were "controversial," and "divisive," and "racially charged," reflecting a "distorted view of America."

But we must understand the man in full and the black experience out of which the Rev. Wright came: 350 years of slavery and segregation.

Barack then listed black grievances and informed us what white America must do to close the racial divide and heal the country.

The "white community," said Barack, must start "acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination — and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past — are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds ... ."

And what deeds must we perform to heal ourselves and our country?
The "white community" must invest more money in black schools and communities, enforce civil rights laws, ensure fairness in the criminal justice system and provide this generation of blacks with "ladders of opportunity" that were "unavailable" to Barack's and the Rev. Wright's generations.

What is wrong with Barack's prognosis and Barack's cure?

Only this. It is the same old con, the same old shakedown that black hustlers have been running since the Kerner Commission blamed the riots in Harlem, Watts, Newark, Detroit and a hundred other cities on, as Nixon put it, "everybody but the rioters themselves."

Was "white racism" really responsible for those black men looting auto dealerships and liquor stories, and burning down their own communities, as Otto Kerner said — that liberal icon until the feds put him away for bribery.

Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.
Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.
This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known. Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the '60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants.
Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.
We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?

Barack talks about new "ladders of opportunity" for blacks.
Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for "deserving" white kids.

Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America's fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?
Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena. And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.

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Racism is a two way street, Ice man. It's time that the other side of the street is held as accountable as this side. There are blacks and whites alike that are full of hate. They should be judged by that factor, not by their race. But race doesn't give either color the right to hate.

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by -Pup- (PM , CC ) on Sunday March 30, 2008 @ 7:23 PM




Or preach that hate.  
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by -Pup- (PM , CC ) on Sunday March 30, 2008 @ 7:24 PM




Pup -- I agree 100 per cent. The sad thing is that the 'drive by media' continues to drink "Obama's green kool-aid."

ice
 
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by -ice- (PM , CC ) on Sunday March 30, 2008 @ 7:43 PM




An excellent post iceman.. You tell it like it is. Good job.  
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by HAWK.... (PM , CC ) on Sunday March 30, 2008 @ 10:13 PM




Preach it, Iceman, Preach it!

Amen!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hugggggggggggggggggz to you and Pup!
Taylor
 
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by kktaylorcc (PM , CC ) on Sunday March 30, 2008 @ 10:19 PM




Hawk --- just passing it on ...

thanks for the comment

ice
 
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by -ice- (PM , CC ) on Sunday March 30, 2008 @ 10:34 PM




Taylor -- Yeah, "God Bless America" --- NOT --- GOD DAMN America!!

ice
 
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by -ice- (PM , CC ) on Sunday March 30, 2008 @ 10:41 PM




Ice:

Here is a guy that's bold enough to stand up in an effort to "Heal the racial divide" as part of an "inclusive attitude". This guilt by association perspective smacks of misunderstanding and fear...unfortunately, unless one has black skin, one is not privy to an "understanding" of black perspective and never will without an involvement in the black community but unfortunately, out of fear, don't even attempt it and insist that "people of color" involve themselves in the white community as if character has color and good character has white skin! Folks with a "Race allegiance" like folks with a "Female allegiance" should indeed be scrutinized accordingly but imagine that your own parents would be of the different races like Obama...where do u suspect ur allegiances would be? Might I suggest that the term "Reconciliation" would be of paramount concern. I live with my 32 year old son whose mother is black and I do have some first hand insight into the mind of a biracial individual and I assure u, it is very inclusive. My son is black because he is called black but thinks differently than a black man with black parents or a white man with white parents. He thinks like a biracial person. I'd suggest that the biracial individual EMBODIES the "golden means" that CAN lead this country to where it needs to go for the sake of both races because finger pointing is, quite frankly, getting old. I'd suggest backing off the black white divide wagon and consider the values in a wagon of just people....this is not a new story but a new opportunity at hand that the lack of understanding could blow big time for all of us! I respect what u have written but I have seen and I disagree and my wish would be that, I too would be believed...If we are going to have a divide, lets have a character divide!Regards sunshine....
Pop'
 
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by lalepop' (PM , CC ) on Wednesday April 2, 2008 @ 5:15 PM




Here is a guy that's bold enough to stand up in an effort to "Heal the racial divide" as part of an "inclusive attitude".

---- Pop ---- I have no problem with an attempt to "Heal the racial divide." In fact, I think it's needed, though I don't see Obama doing it.

This guilt by association perspective smacks of misunderstanding and fear...
-----Pop---- what am I misunderstanding here? His preacher is "Anti-American and hates white people." Seems pretty clear to me, and btw, something I shoud fear... wouldn't you say?

unfortunately, unless one has black skin, one is not privy to an "understanding" of black perspective and never will without an involvement in the black community but unfortunately, out of fear, don't even attempt it and insist that "people of color" involve themselves in the white community as if character has color and good character has white skin!

-----Pop----- not sure exactly what you mean here, but it kinda sorta reminds me of something my grand-father said once = "there's two kinds of people in the world, good and bad."

Folks with a "Race allegiance" like folks with a "Female allegiance" should indeed be scrutinized accordingly but imagine that your own parents would be of the different races like Obama...where do u suspect ur allegiances would be? Might I suggest that the term "Reconciliation" would be of paramount concern.

---Pop--- I think you are asking - that if my parents were black/white would I be wanting a 'reconciliation' of the two, at least in my mind?

----------in which case I couldn't say because that's not the case, but I can tell you that a lifelong friend of mine (over 35 years) is of white/black mixed race - and I've had many discussions with him about the 'anger' he harbors, - "against both races" - although I'm still not clear as to why he's angry, and do not think he even is... himself. But, that (anger) is not the focus of my concern. My concern is Obama's 20 year association with a 'race baiting,' anti - American - anti-white Preacher who dances in church while spouting 'venom.' How does anyone get around that???

I live with my 32 year old son whose mother is black and I do have some first hand insight into the mind of a biracial individual and I assure u, it is very inclusive. My son is black because he is called black but thinks differently than a black man with black parents or a white man with white parents. He thinks like a biracial person. I'd suggest that the biracial individual EMBODIES the "golden means" that CAN lead this country to where it needs to go for the sake of both races because finger pointing is, quite frankly, getting old.

------Pop --- sounds like you are trying to say that it will take a 'bi-racial' person to sort through the racial mess and solve it. Hmm.. interesting point and maybe so. Still, I don't know what this has to do with the Rev Wright.

I'd suggest backing off the black white divide wagon and consider the values in a wagon of just people....this is not a new story but a new opportunity at hand that the lack of understanding could blow big time for all of us! I respect what u have written but I have seen and I disagree and my wish would be that, I too would be believed...If we are going to have a divide, lets have a character divide!

--Pop--- boy, do I AGREE with that last sentence!

Thanks for your comment

ice
 
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by -ice- (PM , CC ) on Wednesday April 2, 2008 @ 7:06 PM




Ice:

This guilt by association perspective smacks of misunderstanding and fear...
-----Pop---- what am I misunderstanding here? His preacher is "Anti-American and hates white people." Seems pretty clear to me, and btw, something I shoud fear... wouldn't you say?
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First, I've listened to many many of rev Wrights sermons since this issue surfaced following comments by Ferraro(if ya wanna talk about race baiting) and the highlighted comments do not make up anything near the totality or thrust of his preaching. Preachers are "Spiritual teachers" that, in an effort to speak the truth, by far and large speak it from the perspective of the community they are brought up in. Obama is not so naive to not know that. Any man willing to speak the truth must lay himself open to condemnation...and not one would walk away with a not guilty judgement...Rev wright chooses to do so and infarct does reflect the opinion held by much of the black community in this country though to admit it, would be social suicide because they know.."VERY FEW WHITE FOLKS CAN NOT ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THE BLACK EXPERIENCE....IS THE BLACK EXPERIENCE." Did Bahama make these statements?? NO! WHY? He would be a fool to do so! What separates Rev Wright from other extremist preachers is that Rev Wright , like MLK does not advocate violence and his sermons are for everyone. That's what u don't quite get though I'm not surprised because many don't. Did ya fear GW?
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unfortunately, unless one has black skin, one is not privy to an "understanding" of black perspective and never will without an involvement in the black community but unfortunately, out of fear, don't even attempt it and insist that "people of color" involve themselves in the white community as if character has color and good character has white skin!

-----Pop----- not sure exactly what you mean here, but it kinda sorta reminds me of something my grand-father said once = "there's two kinds of people in the world, good and bad."
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Unfortunately what it "Reminds you of" is not what I am talking about. We agree that White and Black are not synonymous with good and bad. What I am saying is...unless one immerse one's self into a different culture, the "truth" of that culture can not be fully appreciated and only partially understood.
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Folks with a "Race allegiance" like folks with a "Female allegiance" should indeed be scrutinized accordingly but imagine that your own parents would be of the different races like Obama...where do u suspect ur allegiances would be? Might I suggest that the term "Reconciliation" would be of paramount concern.

---Pop--- I think you are asking - that if my parents were black/white would I be wanting a 'reconciliation' of the two, at least in my mind?
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I'm sure ur biracial friend is a nice guy and all but reminds me of the guy who says I have a black friend which means I must know black people somehow. ONE is not a catharsis on any subject and may likely be the last person to to consult with as a rep of the biracial community...we all have issues so a sampling of one does not a point make...but than I know u know that.
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live with my 32 year old son whose mother is black and I do have some first hand insight into the mind of a biracial individual and I assure u, it is very inclusive. My son is black because he is called black but thinks differently than a black man with black parents or a white man with white parents. He thinks like a biracial person. I'd suggest that the biracial individual EMBODIES the "golden means" that CAN lead this country to where it needs to go for the sake of both races because finger pointing is, quite frankly, getting old.

------Pop --- sounds like you are trying to say that it will take a 'bi-racial' person to sort through the racial mess and solve it. Hmm.. interesting point and maybe so. Still, I don't know what this has to do with the Rev Wright.
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Yes Ice I am saying that, when it comes to race issues alone, the biracial individual brought up in a healthy environment does have what many of us lack...trolerance and understanding. As far as the Rev Wright issue it somehow makes sense to me that since the man may be spouting rhetoric(and who these days isn't)he stands in opposition to violence. So I say let Rev Wright be Rev Wright and let Obama be Obama. Like I say to my kids "don't even try to be me" but I know down deep, they couldn't be me even if they tried because we are all different and though I love my father I've managed to round off some of the intolerant edge he could have passed on were I willing...but I wasn't.
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I'd suggest backing off the black white divide wagon and consider the values in a wagon of just people....this is not a new story but a new opportunity at hand that the lack of understanding could blow big time for all of us! I respect what u have written but I have seen and I disagree and my wish would be that, I too would be believed...If we are going to have a divide, lets have a character divide!

--Pop--- boy, do I AGREE with that last sentence!
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It's always nice to end on a point of agreement with but dialog between. Our differences lie only in our experiences, not our hearts.
The fact and act of this dialog bodes well for the time at hand.
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Regards Ice...Pop'
 
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by lalepop' (PM , CC ) on Wednesday April 2, 2008 @ 9:32 PM




Ice:
I've started a new blog called "Sound bite radio" and here is an example of content...it's gonna be like a box of chocolates...ur never gonna know what ya gonna get till ya take a bite...here ia a bite....Pop'

"Daily News".................. Picture of 106304_4502.png

 
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by lalepop' (PM , CC ) on Wednesday April 2, 2008 @ 9:44 PM




Pop -- "the lalepop News".... what next is up your sleeve? I like it.


First, I've listened to many many of rev Wrights sermons since this issue surfaced following comments by Ferraro(if ya wanna talk about race baiting) and the highlighted comments do not make up anything near the totality or thrust of his preaching. Preachers are "Spiritual teachers" that, in an effort to speak the truth, by far and large speak it from the perspective of the community they are brought up in. Obama is not so naive to not know that. Any man willing to speak the truth must lay himself open to condemnation...and not one would walk away with a not guilty judgement...Rev wright chooses to do so and infarct does reflect the opinion held by much of the black community in this country though to admit it, would be social suicide because they know.."VERY FEW WHITE FOLKS CAN NOT ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THE BLACK EXPERIENCE....IS THE BLACK EXPERIENCE." Did Bahama make these statements?? NO! WHY? He would be a fool to do so!

--Pop -- yeah I agree with all that, especially the part that Obama would be a fool to make the statements. What is implied, in fact, said so to speak, is that he 'too' believes the same stuff - but 'would be a fool to admit it in public. Yeah... I'll buy that.

What separates Rev Wright from other extremist preachers is that Rev Wright , like MLK does not advocate violence and his sermons are for everyone. That's what u don't quite get though I'm not surprised because many don't. Did ya fear GW?

Pop -- No, I got the part that he does not advocate violence, and yes I've been concerned/fearful of GW's own bible thumpin.

Unfortunately what it "Reminds you of" is not what I am talking about. We agree that White and Black are not synonymous with good and bad. What I am saying is...unless one immerse one's self into a different culture, the "truth" of that culture can not be fully appreciated and only partially understood.

I agree.

I'm sure ur biracial friend is a nice guy and all but reminds me of the guy who says I have a black friend which means I must know black people somehow. ONE is not a catharsis on any subject and may likely be the last person to to consult with as a rep of the biracial community...we all have issues so a sampling of one does not a point make...but than I know u know that.

Pop --- Way back in the 70's it was a big joke === "one of my best friends is a black/mexican/poor person/whatever." So, of course, I know that by knowing one of a particular race or culture - does not constitute knowledge of that race/culture.

My comment about my 'bi-racial friend' was not to show you that I understood the black community, far from it. It was to show you that not even "he" understood his anger at both races. In fact, I believe he actually hates his Mom and Dad for forming their union and hence him.


Yes Ice I am saying that, when it comes to race issues alone, the biracial individual brought up in a healthy environment does have what many of us lack...trolerance and understanding. As far as the Rev Wright issue it somehow makes sense to me that since the man may be spouting rhetoric(and who these days isn't)he stands in opposition to violence. So I say let Rev Wright be Rev Wright and let Obama be Obama. Like I say to my kids "don't even try to be me" but I know down deep, they couldn't be me even if they tried because we are all different and though I love my father I've managed to round off some of the intolerant edge he could have passed on were I willing...but I wasn't.

Pop == Like I said earlier - you might have a point here. I don't know. A few weeks ago I (a Registered Democrat) was leaning in Obama's direction, now.... I don't know. Problem is, I can't quite bring myself to vote for Hillary ..... and McCain is a problem for me because of his stance with the war, and border security. So, what do I do? Same as last time I guess. Sit on my hands and hope that whoever the country selects as their leader is worth something.

It's always nice to end on a point of agreement with but dialog between. Our differences lie only in our experiences, not our hearts.
The fact and act of this dialog bodes well for the time at hand.


You're right about this Pop... Good to talk to you.

ice
 
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by -ice- (PM , CC ) on Wednesday April 2, 2008 @ 10:32 PM




Ice:

What can I say, "I love to ride the waves"..I'd love to hang around and "get the last word in" on the subject but gotta hang a "Ten" back to the "Radio Station" before the boogie man tares down the station doors...u are so much fun and I am fond of the escapades and the friendship Ice... but when it comes right down to it, I'm just the old guy who didn't notice that it was Pat Buchanan who wrote the the post...I am so sorry, I thought I was talking to the writer ...honest I thought that was "all you". In my mind, if Pat Buchanan has concerns, concerns are warranted but if you were him I would say exactly the same thing...ya know why? because he is unbalanced. He is a declared party member. Ice man, If ya haven't noticed I play it right down the middle..."for real" and I can see unbalance a mile away....RE Wright is more unbalanced than Pat Buchanan by far but for the same declared reason...ya know why? Because he is a declared party member. But Obama is as close to the middle as Pat and he's unbalanced and now ya know why. That's what it's all about, having a leader that at least is close to the middle in his own thought. Ya spot those folks mostly by their ability to speak without a script and make more sense than the scripted among us...with that Sunshine I'll surf on DUUUDE!....Pop'
 
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by lalepop' (PM , CC ) on Thursday April 3, 2008 @ 2:54 AM




Ice:

A definition for well balanced comes to mind I'll share with you, I think u will remember it...."The well balanced one is the one that manages to land on his feet no matter in which direction he falls"
And Ice man SIR....now that's a Leader and thus, requires that a member of either the dem or rep parties be as close to the middle from where all things are stable to move our "Ship of State" at this "all alert" all hands on deck time in our history....FyI..Everyone who puts LOVE as the number one priority, above wealth or power or fear walks the middle and it can't be faked!
ya get no BS here yet to the right and left, it becomes greater and greater...as the sides of our "Spiritual Vessel" sweep into shape...the only reason to turn right or left, is to avoid running over anyone but by far and large, it's "steady ahead Capt"...Gw apparently though he was aboard an oil tanker and veered off to pick up a load but used the wrong route and ran over many many folk. Can ya see the picture I painted Sunshine...do ya like it Homie? I'm sure we will like everything better when we get back on course....regards Ice Pop'
 
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by lalepop' (PM , CC ) on Thursday April 3, 2008 @ 3:28 AM




pop --- You sound convinced. I hope you're right.

ice
 
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by -ice- (PM , CC ) on Friday April 4, 2008 @ 12:07 AM




Ice. All I've got to say is God help this country if Obama is elected. I have yet to hear clear well delivered plans for this country from him. I've heard bits and pieces of "borrowed" speeches, agendas and partial plans which seem more like a wish list. He does seem to have the desire to answer questions head on and if he does he rephrases later or fluffs it off as our error. He may be getting the delegates he needs however I hope we don't make another mistake for the next four years or more that we all will end up paying for.

Bear Hugs!
PolarB ;)
 
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by PolarB (PM , CC ) on Friday April 4, 2008 @ 10:57 PM




PB -- I couldn't agree more. But the thing is... we don't seem to have a choice. I can't do the "Hillary/Bill Circus" again, and McCain does nothing for me with his "War Stance" and lack of "Border Defense."

thanks for the comment

ice
 
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by -ice- (PM , CC ) on Friday April 4, 2008 @ 11:39 PM




Ice:

Obamas point is that we are going to where the country wants to go...yes WE can is the key phrase...after all it is a country that belongs to the people and like in the elections he will expect some participation and will employ the best minds to respond to the peoples will..don't ya get it. Look at how he ran his campaign...very very efficient and inclusive...u and polar are missing the point I think and yes I am convinced...does it show? pop'
 
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by lalepop' (PM , CC ) on Monday April 7, 2008 @ 2:33 AM




Ice:

Off subject a bit but did you watch any of the "Winter Soldier Videos"
they sure are shades of Nam....Pop'
 
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by lalepop' (PM , CC ) on Monday April 7, 2008 @ 2:36 AM




Wouldn't it be ashamed if we got a president that would actually carry out the "Peoples Will"...Peace out!  
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by lalepop' (PM , CC ) on Monday April 7, 2008 @ 2:41 AM




Pop -- I would 'love' a Prez who carried out the people's will. Where is he? lol

"Winter Soldier Videos" I don't even know what they are? What are they?

About Obama ... like I said, you seemed convinced. Hope you're right, but for the moment - I'm sitting on my hands. I can't even "hold my nose" and vote in this election. whew!

ice
 
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by -ice- (PM , CC ) on Monday April 7, 2008 @ 7:25 PM




God Bless America,
Ice,
One thing I love with you is that no holds are barred.
You spoke it and I agreed.
The shame of it all is that we have to choose the 'lesser of all evils' once again.
I can't stomach Hilary, Obama worries me, and McCain will continue the war.
*sighs*
 
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by Whispered Promise (PM , CC ) on Tuesday April 8, 2008 @ 11:30 PM




Whisper -- thanks for your comment. It was a outstanding article that Mr. Buchanan wrote, and it (along with Rev Wright) actually woke me from an "Obama Slumber" where I was leaning (maybe tottering is a better word) for the Jr Sen from Illinois. And.... the jury is still out = sort of = ... for I'm not so close-minded as to completely rule him out ... but ... (and there's always a "but," yes?) lol... seriously, I do not see myself voting for Obama nor Hillary, which leaves McCain.

To be left with McCain is not good. I do not think I'll ever be able to get my hands around (as they say these days) his idea to keep giving up our kids to nothing other than 'murder on the Iraq Express' as well as = spending "billions and billions" of dollars on a country that has "billions and billions" of oil money, (30 billion in our own banks).

Yes.... it's a bad spot to be in.

God Bless America.... and "good luck" to America ... it's going to need it.

ice
 
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by -ice- (PM , CC ) on Wednesday April 9, 2008 @ 8:45 AM




such a waste of time going on about "communities" regarding certain bloodlines, faiths or colors...its all fucking bullshit to be sure.
What of Native Americans? Irish that were as good as slaves after they got to the promised land?I don't ever remember hearing of our founding fathers wanting to exterminate the blacks, but they surely wanted to do the Native "savages" that way.Just research and find good old George Washingtons' take...but gee, they never taught us about that stuff in school did they? I totally disagree with the notion that I would have to be black or any other shade to have an
insight into their"Community" and lives...insight and experience count for nothing?...not in my world, which, by the way does not include politics since I count myself an American not white or black or anything but 100% mongrel American.Anyway, just how long do you think the Powers that Be would allow a female or non-white to keep the big chair?Just look back in history at the ones that wanted to tip the apple cart on the big money war machine, they got dead before their altruism could be applied practically...nuff said..
but as long as people even refer to others by color, the racism will live...just try calling people, people. BC
 
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by BigChris (PM , CC ) on Wednesday April 9, 2008 @ 11:49 AM




BC -- with Indian blood running in me (Great-Grandma was full-blood Cherokee) I count myself lucky to be here when considering as you pointed out in your excellant comment, that Washington and the rest of the FF's (founding father's) wanted to 'eradicate' the entire indian race (research it as BC suggests).

As for Obama I find it (his campaign) more and more reminding me of nothing other than an "internet American Idol game show," which is inspiring so many young people this year - as they tune in to this giant American Idol Show. God help us all.

ice

p.s. the scary part to your comment is one that I've worried about for some time and that is the fact that Obama is indeed a 'marked man' as he moves closer and closer to the big chair. I would hope that this nation is big enough to allow the people's will (whatever it is) to go on. But...
 
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by -ice- (PM , CC ) on Saturday April 12, 2008 @ 7:22 AM




Ice,

I think this would be a good place to start:

"Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.
Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.
This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard."

I get tired of listening to modern people talk about the suffering of their ancestors. None of us was there when it happened.

Hugggggggggggggggggggz,
Taylor
 
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by kktaylorcc (PM , CC ) on Friday April 18, 2008 @ 3:07 PM




taylor = the problem I think... is that so many people just don't care ... and the rest are drinkig the 'green kool-aid.'

thanks for dropping by and have a good weekend

ice
 
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by -ice- (PM , CC ) on Friday April 18, 2008 @ 10:57 PM




go ice...you get my vote..oh hell yeah...great post  
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by Cracker (PM , CC ) on Saturday April 19, 2008 @ 12:22 AM




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You have been OVERHEARD and SEEN at my place!

It could have been a graphic or a quote,
It could have been something that you wrote!
You added greatly to my Spring Fever Post
So I linked to your blog as a toast,
"For all you do and all you say ...
Wishing you the BEST of today!"

Hugggggggggggggggggggggggz,
Taylor
 
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by kktaylorcc (PM , CC ) on Saturday April 19, 2008 @ 2:18 PM




cracker -- thanks for the comment and stopping by

ice
 
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by -ice- (PM , CC ) on Sunday April 20, 2008 @ 10:56 PM




taylor -- always an honor and pleasure to appear on your blog.

thanks!

ice
 
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by -ice- (PM , CC ) on Sunday April 20, 2008 @ 10:57 PM




I enjoyed the interaction between you and Pop'

I am not sure if I got a clear reading on your view - were you agreeing with Mr. Buchanan or were you posting this to see what others thought about his views?

 
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by AZRON (PM , CC ) on Sunday April 20, 2008 @ 11:25 PM




Azron - thanks for the comment and observation (about my motives/opinion).

As an 'early' supporter of Obama and a 'longtime' anti-Buchanan person - I had some difficulty with his article although I do agree with the 'general thrust' of it, and in retrospect have withdrawn my support (the one little vote I have) and am re-thinking my decision on who to vote for in the general election.

Right now, if the election was today I'd probably vote (holding my nose) for - McCain.

Let's see.... I voted for Carter (Dem) in 76

couldn't wait to vote for Reagan (Rep) in 80

although it was Mondale (Dem) in 84

and Bush the Elder (Rep) in 88

Twice for Clinton (Dem)in 92 & 96

digusted - I didn't vote in 2000

holding the ol nose I voted for Bush Jr (Rep)in 2004

so... since 1976 I've voted 4 times for the Democrat - and 3 times for the Republican.

uh, er, sorry for the 're-cap survey of my past votes' ... uh, your question sort of got me tracking that way.lol

so... who do you think will have your vote?

ice
 
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by -ice- (PM , CC ) on Monday April 21, 2008 @ 8:29 AM




I am still undecided - but I will be holding my nose if I have to vote for McCain - I will NOT vote for Hillary!

ron
 
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by AZRON (PM , CC ) on Monday April 21, 2008 @ 9:49 AM




Azron - ditto on NOT voting for Hillary. Done been to that 'Rodeo' ... don't want to return.


ice
 
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by -ice- (PM , CC ) on Monday April 21, 2008 @ 6:45 PM




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by PolarB (PM , CC ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @ 10:24 PM




Many of the above comments demonstrate a lack of understanding of the patriotism that a lot of African-Americans practice. Black love of country is often far more robust and complicated than a lapel pin or a “God Bless America” bumper sticker.

I read Wright’s sermons (including the "God Damn America" one) the same way I might interpret the bitter complaints of a spurned lover. I also view Wright as a product of his generation,just like I viewed a grandparent as she expressed great concern to me about white girls giving birth to what she called 'nigger babies'.

Some of the comments also confuse ‘nationalism’ with ‘patriotism’. Nationalism is the uncritical support of one’s country, regardless of its moral or political bearing. Patriotism is the affirmation of one’s country in light of its best values, including the attempt to correct it when it is in error.

Wright is certainly not a nationalist, but unpatriotic? Like millions of other blacks, Wright was willing to serve the country while suffering rejection 50 years ago. He surrendered his student deferment in 1961, voluntarily joined the Marines and, after a two-year stint, enlisted again as a Navy corpsman. He graduated from college as valedictorian, became a cardio-pulmonary technician and eventually a member of President Lyndon Johnson’s medical team.

Jeremiah Wright has received no less that THREE White House letters of commendation! Since I don’t have anything comparable, I don’t feel qualified to question his patriotism.

This post confirms that whites have two competing forces tugging them in opposite directions: the emotional racial fears we have (on at least a subconscious level) -- and our cognitive desire to NOT think of ourselves as racist, which is against today's societal norms.

The corporations and their GOP partners understand this all too well. So in order to convince us to vote our racial fears and animosities, the Republicans have to give us a story that allows working-class whites to acquit themselves of any accusation of racism.

The Jeremiah Wright story is tailor-made for that purpose. It allows us to cognitively tell ourselves we’d support a nice black man – if only Tiger Woods or Bill Cosby were running. Yet, it also feeds our emotional fear that Obama may turn out to be one of those 'scary' black men like Al Sharpton, Malcolm X or Huey Newton.

Obama is not one of those scary black men, folks! And implying ‘guilt by association’ does nothing but distract us from focusing on the REAL PROBLEMS (lost jobs, wage and benefit costs, skyrocketing gas and food prices, the Iraqi War, unaffordable health care, etc.) and the REAL BAD GUYS (greedy corporate executives and their GOP allies).

John McCain has repeatedly demonstrated an inability to understand basic fundamentals about our country’s two largest issues: Iraq and our economy. He wants to continue the disastrous Bush policies. And as for his character, he called his wife a ‘cunt’ in front of his staff and reporters, for God's sake!

Does Obama’s ex-minister really trump all of that?
 
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by Mokie Joe (PM , CC ) on Tuesday April 29, 2008 @ 10:52 AM




PB --- great poem!

thanks so much

ice
 
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by -ice- (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 1, 2008 @ 12:02 AM




Mokie ===== it's not so much his ex-minister as to how he's handled this whole mess. How in hell can we expect Obama to handle the World's leaders (good and bad) if he can "so badly" misjudge a man he's known for 20 years. A man who married him and baptised his children and who was his 'spiritual advisor?'

please.... tell me ..... how?

thanks for your comment

ice
 
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by -ice- (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 1, 2008 @ 12:07 AM




I think Barrak needs to read Bill Cosby's new book.  
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by ^BELLE^ (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 1, 2008 @ 12:58 AM




If Wright were the only minister at Trinity, I’d see your point. However, this mega-church actually has eight additional eight ministers. Three of them hold doctorates and four of them have earned masters degrees. I think that in Obama's mind, the good that was being done by these eight far outweighed Wright's deficiencies.

When Wright became the leader of the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, it had 259 members. Today, with more than 10,000 members, Trinity is the largest U.S. church affiliated with the United Church of Christ. They've got to be doing something right.

What accounts for this incredible growth? During the Civil Rights era, Trinity provided blacks with a peaceful Christian alternative to the radical black nationalist groups that had headquartered in the city at the time. But after that era ended, black Islamic groups in Chicago were successfully drawing blacks away from Christianity by asserting that the religion was inherently racist and only for whites.

After the era, racism was manifesting itself in the Windy City through insurance redlining, predatory lending practices and religious authorities working to maintain a line of segregation. In fact, the local activist Catholic priest publicly declared "no
niggers were allowed across Ashland Avenue.”

If we're doing 'guilt by association', does that make all Catholics in Chicago bigots?

The failure of the civil rights movement to usher in an era of genuine integration and harmony between the races turned into a search for an alternative experience of purpose and belonging for many African Americans. In this environment, the church quickly realized that those who advocated for blacks to quietly assimilate into their churches and community (like whites)were ineffective.

Instead, Trinity adopted the positive elements of the ‘black power’ message, while rejecting its philosophies of separation and black superiority. The church grew with a mission simply to make it possible for a man to be both a Negro and an American without being cursed and spit upon by his fellows, without losing the opportunity of self-development.

The biggest riff in the Trinity congregation occurred when Wright and his staff began actively recruiting poor residents of Chicago and providing them with as much power as the middle and upper income members. Many of the 'well-to-do' members left, but thousands of others filed in to take their place.

While the church continues this tradition, it is most famous for the breadth and diffusion of its 58 ongoing social programs on behalf of the disadvantaged. They include several learning programs for children, HIV/AIDS awarneness, food sharing, fine arts & literacy, drug and alcohol counseling, domestic violence – and even yoga classes and the Girl Scouts.

Anything scary about these ministries?

This 'pro-active' approach towards helping the poor is exactly what attracted Barack Obama to Trinity, and what prompted him to stay at the church for 20 years.

Finally, let me add that my own experiences help me to completely identify with Obama. The head of the food bank where I worked is paranoid, vindictive, harassing, power-hungry and money-grubbing. I totally disagree with the way she runs the place and the self-serving values she holds, and I have no doubt she is mentally ill!

But I stayed with the food bank for over two years because I was dedicated to it’s mission. While I left it’s employment in March, I still go there to volunteer at the food bank on a regular basis.

Why? Because the good that is being accomplished means much more to me than the bad qualities of it’s leader.

Can you understand a little better now, Ice?
 
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by Mokie Joe (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 1, 2008 @ 8:54 AM


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   
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